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- From: Jeff Grimmett <jgrimm@sdd.hp.com>
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
- Subject: Re: A3000 SCSI questions
- Date: 22 Jan 1996 18:09:02 GMT
- Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company
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- wblock@rapidnet.com (Warren Block) wrote:
-
- >Jeff Grimmett (jgrimm@sdd.hp.com) wrote:
-
- >: wblock@rapidnet.com (Warren Block) wrote:
- >
- >: >First point: there is only one chain here. It has both internal and
- >: >external parts, but there is only one.
-
- >: NOT in an A3000. At least, not according to CBM back when I bought mine.
- >: They issued a service bulletin to thier Gold Service techs that stated
- >: explicitly that for purposes of termination, there existed TWO chains,
- >: one internal and one external.
-
- >: I realize that this does not make sense from a SCSI point of view, but
- >: that is exactly what they said, and guess what -- it works.
-
- >Unless you have two controllers, you only have one SCSI bus, and the SCSI
- >spec is very clear on termination and the other rules (a couple of which
- >C= broke on the A3000).
-
- So theory and reality collide, and guess what? Reality wins again.
- Whether the SCSI specs agree or not, this is what IS for the A3000. My
- 3000 has operated for 5 years now with no problems on the SCSI bus
- because I am playing by the rules of the hardware at my disposal, rather
- than the specs that this hardware doesn't agree with. I've been through
- more SCSI reconfigurations on my 3000 than my car has had tune-ups.
-
- It's an abberation, which I think I implied, granted. But since we have
- to play by ITS rules....
-
- > As for C=, well, they went out of business due to
- >stupidity...
-
- Am I to infer, then, that you have a low opinion of the OS because of the
- actions of Medhi Ali? What have the poor business decisions of one man
- to do with the design decisions of the A3000? Phbt.
-
- > but I suspect that the bulletin was referring to the lack of
- >motherboard termination in most A3000s, and terminating one end of the
- >internal and external "chains".
-
- No, it was not. I may not be able to quote you the technical bulletin
- number of the thing, but I know what the technical aspects are, as well
- as the diagram that was on it. CLEARLY stated that the motherboard
- terminations should be left in place, and that the internal AND external
- chains must be terminated at thier respective ends, too.
-
- >Some A3000s will work fine with non-spec SCSI setups.
-
- The A3000 is a non-spec system from the very start.
-
- > That doesn't mean
- >that the settings are proper,
-
- The settings are proper for that machine, only, and do not necessarilly
- apply to any other model, including the T.
-
- >range in which some machines will still work. In such situations, many
- >people experience random "read errors" and believe that they are just a
- >part of normal operation.
-
- Every experience I have encountered like this has been because of a
- failing drive, not the bus proper. My original Quantum drive eventually
- started doing this. They do age. They do not last forever.
-
- >2. The motherboard terminators are usually missing, and it's difficult
- > to find the exact replacements, because (like the 2091) they are of
- > two different sizes.
-
- Interesting. Again, this flies directly in the face of my direct
- experiences. Every A3000 I have opened up has had the terminators firmly
- affixed to the motherboard, and only a good quality soldering iron will
- ever free them. What revision motherboard are we talking about here?
-
- >3. Terminator power to the external DB25 (see #1) is often nonexistent
- > due to a manfacturing flaw. This can be corrected.
-
- What is the nature of this flaw? A blown fuse?
-
- >4. The revision 04 Western Digital SCSI chip has trouble with some SCSI
- > devices. Replacing it with a revision 08 may be necessary.
-
- I've never had the need for this one, and hopefully won't before I get a
- new machine. Just lucky, I guess :-)
-
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